Friday, November 29, 2013

Debt Template

 (Well a start of one anyhow)

Dear David greetings;

i believe: you are a man, and; at times you act as the 'COMMISSIONER OF FINANCE',

1. do "you" claim that a debt [property taxes] is due ?

2. Are you going to testify to that in open court?

3. Do you have third party uninterested witness to verify the debt [property taxes] is due?

May i please have 72 hours to try to settle this debt with that man who is verifying that claim against me.

Me an Attorney?

Me an Attorney?

«     ATTORN: ATTORN: 13c., Anglo-Fr., "to turn over to another," from O.Fr. atorner "to turn, turn to, assign, attribute, dispose,"; from a  -"to" + tourner -"to turn" (See: turn). In feudal law, "to transfer homage or allegiance to another lord”.

1. To transfer one's obligations to a person to another person

2. To turn over to another; transfer; assign.

3. Old English law, to turn or transfer, as homage or service, to a new possessor, and accept tenancy under him.

4. In feudal law, to turn or transfer homage and service from one lord to another.

This was the act of feudatories, vassals, or tenants upon the alienation of the estate.

5. In modern law, to acknowledge being the tenant of one who was not the landlord originally, but claims to have become such ; to agree to be tenant to a new owner or landlord of the same property.

So by this definition do i attorn?

Hummm , why yes , why YES i do !

but i believe i attorn (atturn) as a Benefit to [wo]man and those of [wo]mankind

Thursday, November 28, 2013

11-7-13 transcript my private audio

11-7-13 my private audio at talkshoe com bart, eugene, karl irs and other issues 3h35m [garbled words/comments in brackets]

Transcript by j_mark see linkee or

2: i want the guv and irs to obey the law.

5: why not ask them for the record that shows that i was served special notice?
Until that notice is served none of that info is fact.

8: that notice precedes liens or levys.
A lien cannot arise until there has been a neglect or a refusal to pay upon notice and demand, under section 6303, method of assessment.
6203 do it within 60 days after assessment.
Recording the liability in the office of the secretary.
1300 pennsylvania avenue northwest

11: i want the guv to obey the law. I want to obey the law as it applies to me.

36: then you live in the federal zone dont you? [i dont live in the mailbox]

39: youre presumed to know the law and know what youre signing.
3 years to rescind [no statute of limitations on a man or woman]

41: unfortunately we have to become an erstwhile lawyer to protect their own interest. [where is a man required to know private corporate laws?]

1:02 caller;
the bank gave you a blue ink pen didnt they?
i sent 3 words to the bank; produce the note. Havent paid in 4 or 5 years now. When it comes up for sale i take another bankruptcy.

1:30 if u were never served notice of a requirement to make statements, returns, keep records, we are not thereby required by the internal revenue code to obtain a ss# for tax purposes and the ss act doesnt require you to have a number.

1:38 karl [1:51 still waiting. Woman wants to get her 3 daughters back. Goes on awhile and finally gets resolved.]

2:08 the irs has no rights, they cannot require.
Only a man can require from another man and he better have a contract.

2:13 [finally finishes with the other caller, who hung up some time ago]

2:14 they lied about me abusing children to get me out of house.
You need a third party impartial witness. Its all he said she said.

2:3? [lady came bk on]

2:38 if they said they found a dead sea turtle on the beach and they arrest you for cocaine, and youre coming into court. Okay were charging you with killing an endangered species what would you say? Would you say guilty, not guilty, no contest? So you say who are you looking for again? I think you got the wrong paperwork. I did nothing wrong. Why cant you guys [ ] with a pocket full of cocaine, and they bring you in there with a pocket full of cocaine and say well how do you plead with a pocket full of cocaine. You say who are you looking for again? You believe i done something wrong? I think you got the wrong case cause i didnt do anything wrong. No no no all we want to know is guilty, not guilty, no contest. Just imagine the sea turtle. You have no idea what theyre talking about. So as soon as you say guilty, not guilty, no contest to the sea turtle obvioulsy youre becoming a party to the case because youre taking responsibility and youre going to try to defend yourself cause you didnt kill the sea turtle.
So he says im not guilty to the cocaine but obviously you believe youre a party to this case. Youre voluntarily putting yourself into the case. They got jurisdiction over you now.

Caller; but they do not offer a choice of pleading innocent.

I didnt say innocent. They say guilty, not guilty, no contest, i have no idea what youre talking about. Is there some man making a claim i done wrong.
Somebody is going to have to say cocaine is wrong. Who is saying cocaine is wrong? Who are you? Are you a man? No im the prosecutor. Okay the prosecutor is like a fictitional entity, i cant sue you right? No you cant sue me because im a prosecutor. Well i could sue you if you were a man right? And you made a false claim against me right? Well yeah. I say youre making a claim that cocaine is wrong?
Well no im not claiming it. Well then who is making the claim? The state of north carolina is making the claim. Well then the state of north carolina better take the witness stand because under the habeous corpus act i have the right to cross examine my accuser. So now are you not telling me im doing wrong but the state of north carolina is accusing me? Yeah good. Put NC on the witness box. Let them make
their claim known. There you go. Its that simple.
Caller; it should be.
It is!
The plaintiff must appear.

2:44 caller; when i filed a motion to dismiss.
Theres no such thing.
When you file a motion youre under their jurisdiction, and you believe there is something there, and youre trying to compel performance. 
Well theres a cop with a gun threatening me to show up.
Well that different. Thats saying theres extortion. That has nothing to do with MTD, theres no such thing. Why would you want to dismiss it anyway. To dismiss means they could come back [anytime] in the next 100 years and bring that same charge up against you. Why dont you just discharge it?

2:46 and if you ever want to put the cop on the witness stand thats fine, if you actually want to play the game. What would you have done to me if i didnt give you a driver license? Would you have pulled out your gun and told me to exit the vehicle? Yeah. Would you have put me in chains and shackles? Yeah. Would you have put me in the back of the squad car? Yeah. Isnt that extortion that if i dont do something youre going to hurt me? Youre going to cause me harm? Youre going to cause me loss? Yeah. Well how can the state extort anything from a man?
When you got the criminal citation did you write the next day and say i believe somebody filed a criminal complaint against me.
No i filed a motion to dismiss.
See you did that marc stevens nonsense. Theres no such thing as a mtd. If you want to act like a man you dont do a mtd. If you want to be a lawyer wanna be, you file a mtd.

Its a no win situation in their game. Flip it around. Bring it over to the common law side. Man to man. Here in amercia common law is supreme so if youre trying to flip a code at me im gonna flip the common law on you because how many more minutes or days common law is going to last in this country before we become a one world code order. 

2:49 caller; so what youre saying is if you get a citation you send the court a letter saying please verify the claim against me or is there a actual claim against me in this court?
There you go, youre starting to think, its not exactly [ ] but boy you got it.. i want you guys to start looking at it and form your own beliefs, your own words, so when you have to utter in open court it comes natural instead of memorizing dialogue.

2:51 what law did i break? Because that code is codified from the public law. You mean the commonwealth of virginia motor vehicle act of 1975? well yeah i guess thats the one you broke the law.
Okay can you bring that law into the court? Thats the code because the code is just a smattering, just bits and pieces of the public law. They codified, they made it short. Then code decipherers called attorneys and judges say well this is how we believe the code reads. Fuck the code. I thought you said i broke the law? Yeah. Bring the public law before the court. Does anybody bring the law before the court, read it onto the record. So theyre gonna have to unroll the public law and read it onto the record. Now, show me where my name is written into that public law. Show me where it says i cant do that. Show me where it is expressly written into the law. Not implied. No person shall. Okay, my name is not person. My name is karl. Show me where i broke the law. Show me where it says karl will not do this. Show me. You dont have that? Well then i guess i didnt break the law did i? I didnt bind myself to any contract. I didnt bind myself to any law did i? no. so i guess i didnt break the law did i? No i guess i didnt.
So what youre saying is the law must be specific...
yeah. Its contract. Unless it is expressly written into the contract it cannot be implied.
The contract is the law because the law must bind you.
What happens if some chinese guy charged you with a crime? How am i bound by chinese laws again? How did that happen? Im not chinese, how the hell do you think you have jurisdiction over me? How do you think that happened?  Its the same way with them saying youre a US citizen. Oh really? Are you going to testify to that in open court? Whos gonna testify? Well the not going to testify, but are you trying to tell me youre not a us citizen? Are you asking me a question? are you a party to the state? Are you the one making a claim against me? Cause i only have to answer to the man whos making a claim/ are you making a claim against me? no. i dont have to answer your questions then. Bring the plaintiff in. i only answer to him and him alone. Or her alone. Cause i dont know if the united states is male or female. It used to be columbia, now its uncle sam. I dont know.
2:54 caller; and the plaintiff should have a third party uninterested witness to verify the case?
Oh you better believe it or its hearsay. Your word against theirs. Its fifty fifty. You just keep saying i have no fing clue what youre talking about.
In this country you cant bring up what one did in the past. Which is kinda good and bad.
Caller; and the simple act of just showing up for the court date that doesnt obligate me to perform?
Absolutely not. Youre just there because you believe you were summons to appear because somebody is trying to make a claim that you done something wrong and all youre there for is to settle a debt and settle a claim. And if they hand you a criminal complaint say look thats a criminal complaint. Who is making the claim? My wife made 316 complaints before i left the house this morning. What does that mean? Nothing. Is she making a claim i did something wrong? No shes complaining i did something wrong. I dont owe her anything.
[please donate to karl and introduce him to decaf, and I will save up to attend evelyn woods speed listening classes].

...making up all these ridiculous things to try to bind me and control me. Im not gonna go for it. Im not gonna fall for it. Everything i do when i walk out of the house is illegal until the minute i walk back into the house. And i dont have to answer anybodys complaint. I dont have to answer anything im doing is illegal. But what i have to answer to is that im doing something wrong, im doing something that is unlawful. That i have to answer to and that i will compensate for.

2:58 thank you for your opinion. Thank you for complaining but you know what? Im not bound by your silly rules. Every time you step out of your domestic authority underneath.. out of your property line, into the public venue, everything youre doing is illegal and then youll be so much happier. Instead of worrying about am i doing something illegal? Yeah, everything im doing is illegal. I dont care. Am i doing anything wrong? no. okay well that just means youre causing harm to man, your injuring his property or you breached a contract. So fine everything im doing is illegal. Fine. I can live with that.
Caller; now if we could just train the police officers and the other guv police to comprehend that we would all be happy.

3:01 youve got to get these legalese words out of your vocabulary. there is no such thing as an affidavit to a common man. When you use affidavit youre subjecting yourself to their control and under their authority. You make yourself competent.
When i walk into a statutory court room, i walk into a civil court room like that. Im an idiot. To me that just means i dont have the capacity to contract cause i dont understand anything youre talking about. I dont decipher code. So youre saying i violated code 16 section 362, im not a code decipherer. I dont know what you just said.
Caller; thats why they call it code.
Yeah. Thats cause you dont understand what this man is talking about. Are you making a claim against me? no. then what are you? Im a prosecutor. Well whats the difference between a prosecutor and a ham and cheese sandwich. Theyre both fictions. I cant sue you right? Because youre not liable for anything right? Right. Because you cant be held liable because youre not acting in the capacity of a man right now right? No. Youre hiding behind something right? Yeah. Well i only want to speak to a man or woman. I will answer to any man or woman making a claim that i done wrong and i want to compensate them and tell them im sorry and want them to go on and not be mad at me and whatever debt is due i want to settle it.

3:04 are you claiming i owe a debt?
Are you claiming the debt is post due?
Will the plaintiff appear to make a claim to the debt?
Thats all. Im done. This is not rocket science what i do.
No but the judge should know that and not allow the lives to go on the way they are.
Sure, theyre waiting for you to be a man. All theyre waiting for you to do is be a competent man and
hold your own shit together and until that day theyre there to preside and assist you on your way to learning how to be a man and how to stand in court as a man.

3:13 some neighbors see you hauling in 3000 pounds of pot into your garage and then all of a sudden they get a warrant and kick in your door. Why dont you just make a claim against them that they had no right to enter into your domestic authority.
Instead of answering that judge as the defendant.. instead of pleading not guilty that i done no wrong cause there is no injured party.. when they were moving their criminal complaint against you why didnt you make a claim of damage against them?
Why didnt you play prosecutor? Theres no rule that says you cant play prosecutor.
When somebody does you wrong do you play defendant? Why dont you play prosecutor.
Caller; its not that i should go in as the prosecutor its i shouldnt have been beaten to death in the first place.

3:21 everything has got to be short and sweet. You believe i owe a debt? Will the plaintiff come forth? Can i cross examine the plaintiff?

3:23 there was a ten hour show at talkshoe com unkommonlaw # 127469. i pulled out the 44 minutes where the husband explained what happened in court. [got kids/property back]

3:28 i require the restoration of property, and the only duty and obligation of any guv is restore, secure and protect property of a man.

Sunday, November 24, 2013

Karl Show West Midlands England 15 December 2013

Karl Lentz 1 day Workshop on 15/12/13

All The way from America, we are very happy to invite you to come and listen to Karl; Whilst Karl is in the UK he will be giving a 1 day workshop from 1pm – 9pm at:
West Bromwich African Caribbean Resource Centre Thomas Street
West Bromwich
West Midlands
B70 6LY
Cost £20 for the day.
Karl Lentz’s child was taken away by the state for having Down’s syndrome. He paid a fortune on lawyers and lived in a shipping container to divert all his money to legal costs. After nearly 6 years, he decided to learn Law for himself as clearly the lawyers couldn’t help.
He learnt how to get a court of record and moving the court. He realised his child was classed as property and the legal & lawful meaning of over 50words. He will talk about his 2 carefully constructed sentences, he said at the court office. He didn’t even get to the next hearing and the court instructed the state to return his son back within 24 hours.
He now has a radio talk show teaching his simple way of thinking that any man or woman can comprehend and use for their own problems. His radio show is full of people ringing with success stories:

Saturday, November 16, 2013

Transcript 03-07-2013 my private audio

Transcript 03-07-2013 my private audio

Transcript by j_mark see linkee

3-7-2013 my private audio at talkshoe . com Karl Lentz

6:congress didnt renew the fed res' charter so were gonna go back to a monetary system based on the output of the labor of the citizens of the US instead of the IMF. That's what winston shrout said.

Who is this man or woman making a claim that i owe anything.
When they give you an assessment you have 3 days to respond. Who is the man or woman saying I owe this?
You establish proof you were trying to settle on the private side.
Make a phone call and record it. Who is administering my property and by what right.

Go to local district court and file a claim that someone is administering your property without any rights, since the US operates in all 50 states.
Theyre causing you harm and not only do you want your property returned immediately, you want a certain amount of money back for the aggravation of filing the suit to claim your property back.

17:can u show me a benefit which i derived by intercoursing with them.

Tresspass against my rights

25:im a man i have rights. They are the irs they have no rights, the are chartered, and ive never consented to give them a dime. Let them bring that fact forward that i did. They cannot say anything in common law court because they have no standing [trinsey v pagliero].

29:no man has the right to administer my property. Let that man come forward in court and testify that they do. They wont show up and you'll get a default judgment against them.

Is this common law or civil. He said common law. The other side cant speak.
Put in writing, you are aware that this is under the common law? And he'll say yes or no. of course he will say yes, esp if you put it in writing.
You want to stand before him and recognize common law when you didnt put it on paper before hand; anybody tries to adjudicate this matter other than a trial by jury he is going to be held liable for any damage he is going to cause me without my consent, because the person in the black robe if he doesnt have consent from you to make a ruling he is going to be held liable for the judgment just like any other man would be held liable.

Who is the man or woman that is ordering me? I will be glad to do what you order and im going to charge a hundred dollars an hour.

Theyre all private companies and have no authority over property that they do not have direct control over, and the lady that fills out the CAFR report said but they [the public] dont know that.

41:i have a lien on all my possessions, its right here in my head. How do i know its true. Watch my lips; its true.

49:terrorism is to interrupt with the proper function of government. I am self governing so if you interfere with my right to self govern and you are trying to order me about or threaten me, that's terrorism.

57:you gotta hand it back to the person within 3 days and then on the 4th or 5th day file a claim against the prosecutors office for failing to file a claim that there is an injured party or which there is a breach of a contract.

Argue: making things crystal clear.
Argument makes it unclear.
I dont use black's, i dont want to get into legalese. I want to stay in common law.

1:20if they fail to answer in 21 days write a warrant to the sheriff or us marshall and they will drag him into court.

1:21Once a man has spoken in open court under oath or affirmation its written in stone but while its on paper it never has the full force of law.

1:25 its [the US] a nation not a country

they administrated my property without rights. Thats my whole lawsuit.

[he has 70 cats. Must be Leo rising]

1:35 my mom has been doing this [irs] since 1972.

1:39 if somebody sends you a tax assessment or a claim that you owe some money theyre saying you are a debtor, that if you dont pay this you are in debt because you are only in debt because you are only in debt because somebody is saying you owe money. So you say im a debtor? Im indebted to you? Oh really. I have no rights because you say i dont have rights? You say I owe money? I am going to need you to come to court and swear under oath or affirmation that I owe money, and they cant do it. No public official can come to court and swear because theyre a person theyre not a man.

The tax assessors tom jones is trying to administer my property without my consent. What gives him the right to assess i owe a debt.

Verifiable not verified. It has to be in the present tense.

Anybody that puts a piece of paper saying pay me that money. Really?  What gives you the right to demand that money?

You cant tell me what this property is worth. Price goes up and down tomorrow.

I dont believe its a true debt. Only a man can say i believe.
How is the county gonna show up and swear its true. Bob County is not going to show up.

Citizen; civis; a member of a family.
A nation is just a group of people.

A draft is not conscription, its voluntary.

2:02 your county court house has a warrant in debt. They have 21 days to answer. If they dont answer then take the WoD and get a writ of  [sesutration?] or writ of attachment and the sheriff's deputy will execute the writ and seize the person's property.

There's a person in another state interfering with my rights, thats when you go to fed court. 

2:08File it into District court of the united states or they will presume you are a 14th amendment citizen.

Papal decrees surrounded by a red line, its their jurisdiction.

Federal court is all courts in the country, federal district court means in your district.

2:18 anytime anybody charges you something they come back to you with a criminal complaint, not a criminal claim. The jury is going to render a verdict, its an intaintment, not a conviction. A conviction is when you jump up in the middle of the trial and say i did it. When a jury finds you guilty you are intainted and once you are intainted you have no rights.

They said you stole heirlooms. You demand a grand jury and then the grand jury is going to indict you.
Grand jury works more under common law rules. That lady is going to have to bring somebody in to point across the room and say I saw her take them. And if you dont have somebody that has first hand knowledge as a witness, a 3rd party impartial witness, somebody who is not related to that lady, point across the room and say i saw you steal that stuff, they have no case

to get somebody convicted in this country, to get somebody atainted, there has to be a witness with first hand knowledge and testimony who pointed across the room and say i saw here steal it.
Your counsel was incompetent. Should have said where's first hand witness.

Transcript 02-21-2013 My Private Audio

Transcript 02-21-2013 My Private Audio

2-21-13 my private audio at talkshoe . com Karl Lentz

Transcript by j_mark see linkee or

12:i did the UCC 11 to see if any liens or levys. And going to use UCC 3 to terminate those bogus liens on my record.

17:they made me register my vehicle and send the MSO to the tax man [??]

32:theyre foreign agents posing as gov agents.

35:lithium caused kidney damage

52: $2500 to gordon hall for help but he never had time for me. Call me tomorrow or call me tonight and he'd never be there.

58:jack smith is 180 degrees from gordon hall.

1:20 new caller ticket 4 driving with suspended lic.

1:41 Angela on Dr Hew Len, Jean Keating

1:44 karl finally comes on. When they file a complaint against you why dont you file a claim against them. This is still a common law country.

Youre making a claim that someone is interfering with your right to travel because you caused no man harm. Since you caused no man harm they are filing a false claim against you.

I conditionally accept your offer that ive done wrong upon a verifiable claim. And dont say anymore.
Certified just means that there's another person that believes that piece of paper exists. Certified is a joke and a waste of time.

The only answer youll accept in court is a verifiable answer and the other side cannot verify their answer. They can only certify their answer.

Theyve gotta put their hand on a bible and swear to it. That's the difference between certified and verified.

If u dont get sworn in then there is nothing to appeal.
U dont ever motion or petition the court, thats begging the court.
You notice the court that it lacks jurisdiction over you.
The person making claim MUST appear to be cross examined.

[1:47] Enter court Verifiable claim
notary and lawyer and pro se - certify
verified got to be vica voce
I condtionally accept your offer upon a verifiable proof of claim.

[1:50] enter court - any evidence court
appellate in court - only hear verified under oath, or affirmation rule 602 personal knowledge

[1:50] Ask judge - Is it not true that for any statement to be deemed as admissable evidence it has to be under oath and affirmation.?  Judge has to say yes. It is my wish to be sworn in for affirmation therefor
it can be impressed upon the record for appellate

[1:54]  You give the court notice.  Do not motion court..   I believe there is no man that will
come forward and claim that they have jurisdiction over me.  Who will come forward and say
I caused them harm.

Step on  feet jurisdiction.

[1:55:41] enter court

To judge:  What man did I cause harm to that I was not willing to settle on the private side that you believe or somebody believes in the building that you have the right summon me in and force me to do something?  Who had that power over me?  Judge: he does. 
To prosecutor: You claim I am doing you harm?
Prosecutor:  No. 
Who has the right that claims I have done him harm?
Whose claim are you prosecuting? Who made the claim?

Then you don't have jurisdiction over me.

Jurisdiction control - who had control of you body? who did you cause harm? power is control over other person

[1:57] prosecutor (trustee) is not the person that you have cause harm to?
claim for who?  Please bring the grantor / trustor forward.  Harm one has to appear.  Defendant
can cross examine.

Monetary loss claim by deputy.   I will accept charge based on verifiable claim.

[2:02] stylize your brief in conjunction with their belief
i have the right to cross canada and be left alone not only is it my belief the constituion and court case blah blah

their opinions change your do not as long as you dont hurt nobody who cares?  stop relying on their beliefs

[2:04]  enter court - how do overcome jury instructions? 
U dont have to accept the charge, they must make a verifiable claim.

claim beats complaint - adminstrating my property without my rights. 
He has to prove he has  right.   duties responsiblities and obligations and authority

man right cop priviledge
how to refer to constitution
are you a free man?  I am a man.

2:09 you tried to settle the matter on the private side and he refused.

Mr cop did i break the law? He says yeah. Mr prosecutor did i break the law? He says yeah. What are you talking about? Section 60101 or whatever,  that's some sort of violation of a code. We all agreed that i am here today because i broke the law. Oh you dont know the difference between a law and a code. Let me show you in your book.

We all agreed, are you lying now?

Only a man can file a claim. The state can only file a complaint. They cant file claims against the people. They can only file complaints against a person.

2:16 i dont accept any charges without a grand jury indictment.
Grand jury supposed to be 25 but in most states its 23.

2:19 irs says if u want to challenge our assessment file your petition at this address...
you should have been sending letters back and forth. Wait a minute you have the right to claim i owe you a debt? Who has that right? I thought you were a state agency that has privileges, duties and obligations. Where do u have a right?

Can you show me where you have that right to make a claim against my person or my property.? They dont.
Put it in writing, sign it and testify in open court.
I file exempt every year.

N/A is non assumpsit [not non applicable]. Just means im not going to contract with you. This is not binding. N/A in all W4 boxes and highlight the bottom and write exempt. Keep the original and hand copy to boss. No man will testify otherwise. No fed agent will ever come to court and swear anything is true. My mom was a tax auditor. Its all what they believe.

Last time codes changed [every 6 years] was 2007, now its 2013.
its just means a general issue of an action of assumpsit; being a plea by which the defendant avers is that he did not knowingly undertake or promise anything as alleged.
UCC 3-104.3 also means non assumpsit.

Cant use commercial driver license for my private insurance.

Court of record only operates under the common law. Is this a hearing? Its administrative. Move it over to common law court.

You get them to say court of record, thats the very first thing.

I dont move any complaint under title 42. i make claims as a man that you did me wrong.

Caller: Do they make you stand up when the judge enters the court room? Is that common law also?

When you walk into court you stand from the time you enter to the time you leave because what youre doing is standing in common law, when they say what are you doing? Im standing. This is a court of record right? Yeah. This is operating under common law right? Yeah.

To me you're standing in common law. Never give up your standing. So even though its a little theatrical, even though its a little funny, i never sit down. From the minute i walk into court im just here to answer all claims against me. Who is going to come forth and make a claim against me?

[2:32]  cop threatening in court

[2:35] I am a man I have rights.  You are the government you have a priviledge to exist.
Bring forth a verifiable claim or leave me alone.

[2:36] Black's 6th Law 2000.  Court of records only under law.

[2:41]  Words for traffic ticket.

If youre really truly holding your court and you are making a claim what you do is I was summonsed to appear here at 9 o'clock so you make your claim at 9 o'clock; is there any man going to come forward and make a claim against me because at this point i have still not had a claim being presented to me. So i say to people why dont you just walk into court and at 9 o'clock say 3 times does any man care to make a claim against me? Im here to answer all claims. Is anybody here to make claim against me?

They say just wait the judge will be here soon. No no no no no. I still dont have a claim against me.
So you say it 3 times and then you leave. I was there judge. You told me to appear at 9 o'clock. It doesnt say  nine O one or nine O two. I was here at 9. if i was there at 9:01 id be in trouble.  Yeah you would be cause youd be late. I stood up at 9 o'clock and said does anybody here have a claim against me?

You never open your mouth in court. Everything has to be in writing. So you already sent this to the other side. So is there any man whos going to make a claim against me? Im waiting for a claim. All ive gotten is this silly citation about some kind of code violation ive no idea what section 6011132 means. Theres nothing in the law that forces me to interpret your code. Theres nothing in the law that says i have to know what your silly numbers mean. All i know i was traveling from point A to point B. as far as i know i didnt cause any harm to any of God's creatures great or small and i didnt cause any damage to any mans property and i dont have a contract with that man who pulled me over saying i was driving his car in a matter that we did not agree on. That's my car i can drive it any damn way i want. So who is going to make the claim against me? So like i said the prosecutor usually reads that stuff when i file  and they read it in 2 seconds and they just laugh. What are you some kind of a lawyer? No im your worst nightmare.
He said ill see you in court in 30 days.

well then im going to get you for barratry, filing a malicious claim against me and filing a false claim against me. Believe me you are going to get a claim handed to you from me and then you are going to
answer to my claim.

Is somebody making a claim that i broke the law?

Sunday, November 3, 2013

Transcript 12-6-2012 Version 2 My Private Audio

K*** L*** on Angela's call | Episode 191 | Dec. 6, 2012 | Partial Transcript by Leo U.

Episode 191
LU: 1 hour 28 min claim of conusance (Google it) very interesting 

1:32 I own my claim
adminstering property with out my consent

1:34 complaint vs claim

1:36 Blackstone's Commentary section 378 Jury - Tribunal - Magistrate

Episode 191  1 hour 40 minutes. Mortgage, Credit Cards, etc in court... We do not swear, testify.

1:43 federal definition

1:46 mortgage, debt clayton cherry

1:47 To preserve the record and get it ready for an appeal, I would like to swear in an oath of affirmation in open court that everything I'm saying is going to be true so that we establish right now that this is going to be testimony and can be used in an appeal. (Fudge accepts your statement)  (Now you state) If anybody on the other side, who wants to enter into Testimony into this matter, let him now speak, come forth and testify under oath of affirmation that all he is saying be true.  (The attorneys can not testify)
Attorneys sit down unless you have first hand knowledge.

1:56 debt is there anyone come here an verify the debt.  I am not claiming I am a debtor.
Will other side swear under oath and affirmation
I present me and my case to the court.
Do they have first hand knowledge?
discharge and dismiss difference

1:57 court case - that attorney cannot testify evidence

1:57:50 Anybody have any first hand knowledge that I owe a debt to anybody? Where is the injured party?
Can anybody come here under oath or affirmation that I owe a debt?
Anybody I owe a debt?
Verify = spoken word
Certify = written
No, not proof of claim - get a bunch of papers.  Get spoken verifiable.  Knock attorney's out.
Magic word = verify.  Verified proof of claim.   I conditionally accepted that I owe a debt upon verified proof of  claim.

2:01   Pleading = begging.  Is there a verified claim before this court?  yes or no.  is the "verifier" here?
Give me 3 days to settle.  If not I will charge $10,000 if dragged back in.
I will answer the court in writing.  I would write "Is there a verified claim? Will the plaintiff appear"?

2:27:10 title 42 with 12b6 training video clerk of courts 1980's

2:28 personal injury vs civil rights claim

file title 360 personal injury tort claim not civil rights
360 Other Personal Injury

2:30 irs debts tax liens / levies

Transcript 12-6-2012 Version 1 My Private Audio

12-6-12 my private audio episode 191 @ talkshoe com guest k*** l*** (comes on 1h28m)[garbled words/comments in brackets]

1:26 i filed a claim of conusuance.

1:28 Thats how you establish jurisdiction... they try to move jurisdiction but then it goes back. You wont understand it if read in a dictionary. In 1828 it was considered obsolete.

I demand my property back to my control.

What happened to me i filed in a federal district court of the united states. The judge assigned to it assigned a magistrate who decided to take my district court of the us and convert it to united states district court.
You cant bring any law into the united states district court, it has to be under some sort of title code.
Thats what the man was talking about earlier; nature. Nature means the title code. I am not making a title code claim because there is no remedy or relief in your codes for me on the claim that im making.
Please put it back to the district court in which i filed original jurisdiction in. thats a claim of consuance. The clerk and magistrate didnt know what i was talking about. The head judge knew.

I see that order on paper. Do you want me to tell you how many different reasons why that order is void? He says why? Its the wrong jurisdiction, its not signed its robo signed, its not sealed, its not time stamped, its not file stamped, its not verified [and you just?] sent out certified opinion, and it never went thru the clerk of the courts office and he doesnt have the scope of authority to issue orders [because] hes a magistrate, hes independent of the tribunal. Thats how many was i can describe this is a void order. Because its damaging my suit. Leave my suit alone. Stop trying to modify it. He said the court will take it under advisement. I said i will move like lightening and sue all of youse. You are interfering with my rights because theyre administrating my property without right. See because the judge ordered it, all the magistrate said in the order was the court has concerns about propriety. All propriety means youre disputing whether i own my claim or the united states district court owns my claim. Let me make it simple. I own karls claim. Unless a man comes forth and makes a claim under an affirmation in open court you keep your hands off my case. My case is going to go before a jury and nobody else is allowed to review it. He says well were just going to read it and see if it has any merit.

I said dont even try it because only my case goes before the jury. The jury gets to determine the merits. If you try to dismiss my case cause it lacks merit im going to be all over you in half a heart beat with lawsuits. Im not going to a circuit court or 11th court of appeal. Im not doing any of that nonsense. Im going to sue you. So im giving you fair warning.

So what happened?

I just got off the phone with him 2 hours ago. I record everything.
Somebody changed my claim into a complaint. If you file a complaint with the court they get to determine the merits. When you have a claim in court only the jury gets to determine the facts of your claim. You can let the judge determine if you think you can work with him but i dont trust any judge.

1:39 thats the erie case from 1938, the fed guv can only hear the matter once in one state. [he tried in pennsylvannia but cant sue utility there, attorney said we can sue and win in new york, he tried and didnt]. No illuminati nonsense, no global birth certificate nonsense.
A rule is just courts opinion. Courts cant make laws. Congress makes laws. If you come into court as pro se etc then you have to follow their rules.
The united states and federal do not mean the same thing. Federal is a hebrew word just means alliance.
The united states is a noun. Federal is an adjective its not a noun.

1:46 discharging a debt? I think its wonderful. What kind of debt?

Its very easy to deal with any kind of debt.
Anytime anybody brings [you?] before the judge you say to preserve the record and get it ready for appeal i would like to swear in under oath or affirmation to open court that everything im saying is going to be true. So that way we establish right now that this is going to be testimony that can be used in an appeal. And the judge will say okay i accept that. Now anybody on the other side who wants enter testimony to this matter let him now come forth and testify swear under oath or affirmation that all he is saying will be true. And an attorney cant come forth and testify.
But the only bad thing about doing that all the time is.. this is that accepted for value nonsense,  that man, winston shrout, the only bad thing about his beliefs.. well theyre great, you could discharge all the debt this way..the only problem is when you go to get a new cell phone contract or if you try to get your lights turned on theyre gonna make you put up a thousand, two thousand dollar deposit when you go to another apartment because its going to destroy your credit rating. Will you get out of that debt? Yes, one time. You better pick a good one like your mortgage. Youll need to put a deposit for phone, etc.

1:50 thats not true

well thats what i heard.

If you want to do a4v realize the 2 dimensional world is not going to let you back in.
host; your credit doesnt get destroyed for 7 years. Capitol one is sending me offers. .. it [a4v] didnt work on everything but didnt destroy my credit theyre still sending offers.
They love it. They take it and securitize on it. They may not show a zero balance on your credit card, but theyll accept it gladly but they wont send it back. 
Because of the forced benefit of federal reserve notes we cant pay for anything, we just discharge it.
Based on the labor of the people and good faith and credit, our signature should be enough.
Theres other ways to discharge the debt other than accepted for value. I said discharge the debt by going in there and saying is there a man going to come here and verify that debt. If there is no man going to verify the debt cause im not claiming im a debtor. Just do that.
[i would not agree that accepted for value is acceptance/admission of debt or being a debtor]

1:58 verified mans the spoken word. Certified means a piece of paper.

2:00 i conditionally accept upon verified proof of claim. You can stop right there.

How you going to plead guilty, not guilty or no contest?
May i have pen and paper.
Judge screaming.
May i have use of pen and paper. I will answer the court on paper that way its on the record. That way it wont be disambiguous and youll know exactly what im saying. And all im gonna present to a magistrate at an arrangement is; is there a claim before this court or a complaint. Is the complaint verified. Will the verifier be appearing today. If the verifier will not appear today i move we dismiss this thing withOUT prejudice, i'll come back the rest of my life if somebody will come forth with a verified claim. But until then leave me alone. And if i get dragged back into court again im going to charge you ten thousand dollars.
Judge screaming thats not what i said, guilty not guilty or no contest.
I already gave the court my answer. To plead means youre begging to a higher authority.

2:05 well the whole trick is you want to get in & out of court as fast as you can. You just want to say is there a verified claim and will there be a verifier? And the state will never have anybody come forth and verify a cocaine possession against them. So gordon hall says do you have a driver license? No i have a commercial license. Hes just making fun of me because i have a comm license... why should i give it up because when they give me a ticket for driving a car it doesnt effect my driving record or insurance policy cause i got it under a commercial licesne. He says well that makes you a citizen sir!

This has nothing to do with the verified claim on the day the magistrate is charging me with a crime. If the magistrate has a verified claim i dont care if im the man from mars or if i have a birth certificate. Is there somebody here that is going to verify the complaint against me? Yes or no? [judge screaming] well you got a driver license dont you?! Sir, that has nothing to do.. is there going to be somebody in this court to verify the claim that is before the court at this time?  what does having a driver, or pilot or astronaut license have to do with me entering a plea before a court? Im not going to plead to the court.

Im going to wait for a verified claim. And i will have the charges dismissed which means they can come back without prejudice. That means im open to anybodys claim for the rest of my life.

Is the verifier in court? He is? May i please have 72 hours to try to settle this debt with that man whos verifying that claim against me.  If i knew i hurt this man i would have settled with him.

2:08 codes and statutes? Oh you better believe i shattered those things. My rap sheet hits the floor and rolls. Theres no convictions on any of them because i always say who is going to verify this claim?

2:10 $300 or 30 days in jail. I can only pay 5 dollars a week is the best i can do [and do not negotiate].
He said okay. Judges will work with you. … the courts have to accept your offer. [listen to this negotiation explanation]

2:14 what makes a verified claim?
mans word. [goes on awhile. Good info]

2:19 DNA is circumstantial...

2:20 like having cocaine in your car. Somebody from the state is going to have to come forth and say because you have 100 pounds of cocaine in your car it caused you an injury or harm or breach of contract because it was their car and you made an agreement not to put no more cocaine in your trunk. If theres no injured party the state has no standing against you because nobody here is going to verify that because you had 100 lbs of coke in your car they were injured. They suffered a loss. Who is the injured party? Who am i going to make this up to? You gotta give me a remedy. You gotta give me some way to say im sorry to who i trespassed against. You cant just make up all these silly rules because next youll say just walking out my door is a criminal act. You gotta say because im doing something is actually causing a direct harm to somebody and its gotta be verified.

2:25 theyre not putting the notices on my record. if they dont stop doing that i have to sue them in their own individual capacity because theyre hurting me as a man and im talking to them man to man, stop doing what youre doing. I dont care what hat theyre wearing. I dont care if theyre calling themselves judge or magistrate, you are a man and i am a man and by you denying me my right to access this court and move my claim thru this court... dont interfere with my process.

2:31 the irs is going to send you a bill. If you want to dispute this...the burden of proof is on you as plaintiff that you dont owe taxes.

Fill out W4, write exempt at the bottom, keep the original. I believe im exempt.
Mam can you put down the exact number i owe and sign it. She said i cant do that. You just told him he owes $X. if he believes he owes it, he owes it.

Caller: the irs called my employer and said we are not accepting exempt anymore and they started taking withhold again.

I can hold the original W4 signed exempt up in court. Tax man is going to have to swear i do.
2:40 that dont stop them from taking it. once i inform them i am going to sue then theyre liable when they took it. I told them to validate the debt and they didnt. And i told them validate it under penalty of perjury in front of the court clerk which is a notary.
You told them to validate the debt. did you tell them to validate that you owe a tax?
No i reversed it on them. I said the debt is owed to me. They have to prove that its not owed to me. Give me proof of numbers and off the name and off the bond numbers off the birth certificate and everything else and if you fail to do it and you dont do it you acquiesce and prove the fraud and [ ] estoppel.
You have to come to court and prove that my status of being exempt is not true. Thats what i would say just prove my status of being exempt is not true. I claim that i am exempt. Who is going to claim in court that im not exempt. Thats the burden of proof on them.

They took money out of the bank [and sold stock?] without a court order. I filed claim with the county sheriff.

This is how the irs works. They send you a letter. You got 3 days to respond. In 10 days your bank accounts are seized and theres all liens on your property and you gotta battle them for the next hundred years to try to get that stuff back. So thats the whole thing like angela says conditional acceptance. So you've got to move like lightening. You have 72 hours to get back to them. If you get it friday it has to be back monday.
I accepted it under TILA on the 4th day.

There is nothing on the planet that is going to reverse their beliefs that they can do this to you in 72 hours.
I say im going to sue you and they say no you cant we're immune. I said no, now that i told you im going to sue you you are liable on your own personal liability.
But you have to be the person who penned it.

You can do it on both of them. The agent and...because now its constructive fraud because you have 2 parties taking your property.

Yeah i guess thats conspiracy against something.

Theyre the withholding agent and theyre conspiring with the irs under the fraud. ...both of them to validate the debt and they dont validate it and they take it anyhow, now theyre constructive fraud.
It all depends on how you filed your W4 at first

... I was retired there was no W4 needed. There was aW8 ben and that shows youre exempt.

2:45 W8 ben, 8 is recreation. Whats the ben stand for? Sons of. Sons of moses, sons of god.
When you put in a w8 ben its a new creation. Not in their jurisdiction theyre foreign to them.
Someone said to send it to pennsylvania and i wondered if he lived there.
I live in ohio and sent it to cincinnati and they sent it back.
On the chat board; w8 ben is for benefits.
No thats not true.

2:48 everybody says the code says this, the supreme court rules this, etc.
thats fine. use their codes, citations, statutes, but what you say is;

i believe that you do not have the right to interfere with my property.

not only is that my belief im gonna support my belief on your statutes, citations and codes also support my claim.

so make their statutes, citations and codes support your claim.

dont make your claim based on their statutes, citations and codes because you cant use another mans word for your word. your word is your word and your word alone.

if youre going to use their statutes, codes and rules and citations then youre just trying to interpret somebody else's word. its not your word.

so when you make a claim make it in your word and make it one or two sentences and then bombard them with ten thousand citations. but make your claim in your words and your words alone.

thats my opinion.
make your claim, then state the supporting facts behind it.
but make your claim

because only another man can come to court and dispute your claim.
nobody else can come to court and dispute your claim but another man,
and then the show is on in front of a jury and i explained all that already.

send me that training vid to keep all the pro se litigant over to the civil
rights title 42, 1983 side so we can 12b6 em.
Call ends 2h52m

Transcript 2013-01-31 My Private Audio Talkshoe

1-31-13 my private audio at talkshoe . com K***L****

how can u convert a personal injury claim over to a civil rights claim?
So I wrote an order to the clerk of the court and dont practice law by rearranging my documents. first page says all fed courts are article 3 courts [common law]

14: they dont want a common law court held because the other side cant answer because they want me to answer under fed rules like 12b6, you can't do that because im not pro se or an atty or a plaintiff. There's no where in law that says a man has to speak legalese not in the common law, not under the constitution.

They change fed rules every 6 years [change this year 2013]

16:cps is a fed agent b/c they accept fed funds.
Claim of conusance when they try to drag you to the wrong side/jurisdiction.

34:interfering with the proper function of guv.

If they admit to being a guv then I have rights, man is over guv

39:anytime u walk into a court and being charged under a code you immediately convene your own common law court and say someone is trying to administer your property without any rights. They have duties obligations and privileges. Only man has rights that cannot be changed

46:forgery. They used a forged instrument to interfere with my rights. Done.

1:34 before you do a law suit you have to give fair warning; 6 lines

one; i, your name, give no entity the right to administer my property.
two; i,say that blank is my property.
three; i say no man or woman can say my claim is untrue.
four; i want my property returned to me.
five; said property is to be totally under my control [postpaid?] within 3 days [or whatever time]
six; I will charge wrongful holder of said property X amount of dollars for every [time increment] day property is not returned starting on the 22nd day after they have received this summons and this suit see attached claim.
You're supposed to give them 21 days to answer a law suit.

1:42 defrauded is a word a man uses.
No one has a right to raise your blood pressure, stressing you out. Guv is not supposed to be doing anything against the man.

2:03 you cant modify your claim by one word.

2:12 anytime the state moves the court and creates an order and tells you it has a judgment passed against you theyre all void because nobody came to court and swears under affirmation that you did something wrong. So you would just say that you are incompetent in that administrative court, which you are cause you do not know code. Idiot is a legalese word that just says that I am not competent to contract in an administrative court.

2:18 you do not speak at an arraignment. I ask for paper and pencil, judge can throw the book at you. So i dont say anything to the man in the black robe. I dont even acknowledge that he exists.
I write at the top notice is there any man making a claim before this court. Is there a claim before this court. Can this claim be verified in this court at this time.
They have to answer you.
Thats why you always move under the common law.

2:30in open court we are here to discuss the fact because i broke the law. Is that right?
And you know the difference between legal and lawful right?
Good I'll be done in 2 minutes.